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anti-vaccine contents. it will ban all videos that say commonly-used vaccines are dangerous. ricola said that anyone who asks questions or challenges the hard sell is immediately ly censored social media. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo crimeprimetime." >> we have new information on the g gabby petito. there's some bad information in circulation. we have it right. we will get it to you. first, high anxiety in our cap capital. will the democrats hold a vote tomorrow? even if there's a chance they can't get their own members in line to pass a bill. we'll know in 24 hours. this is the biggest cliff-hanger of the biden presidency. let's go through it. the latest, speaker pelosi says tonight, she plans to hold a vote tomorrow on biden's massive infrastructure bill.
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remember, you got that and the spending bill. we're going to talk about both of them. remember, the timing. pelosi said monday was the day. everybody said it's not going to get done monday. that was true. okay, thursday. that's atomorrow. she said, it's tomorrow but i have a right to move it again. why? she doesn't have the votes. i argue to you, the timing on this, secondary. the main concerns are about the who and the what. okay? the key fight centers around the $1.2 trillion bipartisan in infrastructure bill. that's the one that passed in august. a lot of house members don't like it. why? a lot of reasons. they don't believe it goes far enough on a bunch of things. but the big thing is, climate concerns. it's too light. you have tension that's too fold. the need climate fixes, according to them, are in the spending bill. as well as what the spending bill is really about, big-ticket
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items that biden promised in the build back better bill. they're insisting, therefore, that both bills go at the same time. or they won't vote for infrastructure. how real is that? however, that's not their only position. they say, or, we want assurances that if infrastructure is there, they want a deal in place to complete the spending. now, there's a question, who is holding it up? got to be the progressives, right? they keep saying they won't vote on the bill tomorrow. i argue to you, no. the progressives are actually in line with president biden. these numbers are his numbers. these wants are his wants. and they're all wildly popularly with you on both bills. and another reason, i don't think you can put this on there. they keep asking the moderates in the house and the two key senators, manchin and sinema to
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negotiate. tell us what you like and give us a number. if you can't do that, give us assurances that you're with us on the bones so that we can finish a deal in good faith. they have gotten none of those from the senators or in the house, as far as we know. certainly with the senate. so much so that some are now referring to the two senators, manchin and sinema as m manchinema. what do they want? the why here. as of tonight, senator manchin will only say he is negotiating, not changing his mind before tomorrow. on what basis? he says he can't and won't support spendi ing trillions in spending that ignores the brutal
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reality our nation faces. that's boilerplate. what are the specifics? what is too much? what do you want? he won't give a number. nothing he will agree to. that led the leader of the house progressive caucus to say it isn't right. jayapal says that manchin's neb nebulous negotiating is creating more votes against the infrastructure bill. >> if we have a vote, we will vote it down and continue the deliberations so we can deliver the entirety of the president's agenda. >> that said, manchin is like an open book compared to senator kyrsten sinema. nobody seems to know what she wants. manchin is liaying out on the table what he likes and doesn't like. with sinema, she won't answer questions about it. they say, she believes, she wants the build back better plan to happen this year. and she's gotten tons of
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attention. she met with biden yesterday. his aides two other times. white house officials went to her to negotiate on the hill. four times in 48 hours. and all they can say is, our sense is, she's in favor of the bill at some point. really? listen to her dodge questions. >> what do you say about progressives are frustrated and don't know where you are. >> i'm in the senate. >> i'm in the senate? that's the answer? when do democrats act like that? what do you want, senator? it's weird. the build back better act, let's remember why this is dicey for her. expand the child tax credit, big arizona. medical coverage, big arizona. housing community college more affordable, everywhere. all of these things are very popular everywhere, especially in arizona. the issue is the price tag. $3.5 trillion.
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okay. so, sinema and manchin say they won't support the price tag as is. okay. give another number. i think there's another question, though, that the senator will have to answer at some point. is this just about the price or who would be paying? is senator sinema more concerned about her big foarmer friends ad corporate lobbyists that fill her coffers than regular constituents. i think that's the question. what does this all mean for tomorrow? let's turn to one of the most outspoken or straight-talking progressives in the fight. congressman ro khanna, deputy whip of the house progressive caucus. thank you for agreeing to come back and actually making good on the agreement. appreciate you. >> chris, that was a great opening summary. i agree with it. senator sinema is being treated like a head of state. i never requested or met with the president in the oval office. she meets with him every other day. and she has a whole presidential
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delegation, susan rice, they all go to her office. we want to know is what does she want? she's a first-term senator and she hasn't put out a framework yet. >> and that's really what i want to talk about. i got to cover the bases. what do you think happens tomorrow? >> i don't think there's a vote. i mean, this is not the progressive caucus whipping. this is organic. people want to make sure we have an agreement to get people expansion of medicare, their dental benefits and vision benefits. connor lamb says this is very popular. the president's agenda. about making sure folks can go to community college. it's good for seniors. and many house democrats want to make sure we deliver on that. >> one step sideways to talk politics. did pelosi make a mistake saying, we're doing this on monday? we're doing this on thursday? did she not read the room right? >> no. she had no choice.
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i mean, because of sinema, there was pressure to create an artificial deadline. senator manchins said, let's continue in good faith. he wants to see common ground. fine, let's do that. why do we have to do it tomorrow? we can get to a good place in two weeks, three weeks. why is tomorrow some magical date that it doesn't trigger anything? >> here's what i don't understand -- you're intraparty here. this isn't what mcconnell or what ted cruz will give you an assurance on, where it's going to be a chevy dose of verify that goes along with a modicum of trust. these are your people. why do you think it is you can't get any read from one of your own in senator sinema about what will make this happen? >> i don't know. i mean, we had 99% consensus in the party. there's one senator we can't get
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a read on. and i can't speculate about what her motives are. when you have the president of the united states ask in your own party for a plan, you o oblige. as ra freshman senator, you represent your state. but politics is a team sport. and it's frustrating. i have faith that the president, the speaker, majority leader, eventually will prevail. >> i wouldn't ask you to speculate expect right now. do you believe there's some teeth to this? she gets a lot of money from big pharma. they don't like what you're doing with prescription drugs. she gets money from big money. they don't like that you want to raise the corporate taxes. she doesn't like the funding mechanisms. therefore, she can't go for the bill. >> as tough as i have been with
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senator sinema, i never question a person's integrity without facts and evidence. i don't know why she is doing fund-raisers in the midst of an negotiation. from an optics situation, it's a terrible look. if she has disagreements, maybe she believes the pharmaceutical argument, put it forward. put a plan forward. so far what we're hearing is she doesn't want to raise taxes on amazon or big corporations even though they're not paying taxes. she doesn't want to raise taxes on my district, worth $40 million. what is her plan for revenue? she says she is for climate change provisions. what does she want? how is she going to raise it. then, we can have a conversation. there's nothing there. >> what does the delay of the optic of this unity do on the right? there's a move there to blow up the bipartisan agreement that they have on that side.
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and my understanding, tell me if yours matches it, is they're weak. let's not give them the infrastructure bill. i know you like it, but it's better if they get nothing. pull back the support. do you believe the process might be increasing the chance that you lose the senate bill? >> i think it makes it harder to get bipartisan support in the house. i was talking to a republican friend of mine -- i don't want to mention his name. he said, initially, there were 50 republicans who were willing to vote for the infrastructure bill. and that's fallen to four or five. it is hurting because you have mccarthy, whipping against any republican voting on this. and that's unfortunate. all of this can be solved in 2 hours if we come to a general agreement on the principles of the president's plan to help seniors and help working class americans to deal with climate change. and it won't be what ro khanna wants and what the caucus wants.
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it will be what president biden wants. and that seems to be eminently fair. >> still unfair to put this on biden and say so much for him being the great lawmaker that everybody wants to do deals with that knows how to deal with congre congresspeople in his own party. >> the president is trying to do something remarkable. he wants transformative legislation for the working class, something that's been ignored for 30 years with the slimmest of majorities. when fdr did it, lbj, huge maj majorities. i give the president a lot of credit. he's at the 1 yard line. and one senator from arizona is stopping us from really making a difference. that's why i'm mad. it's not personal. it's we can finally do something in this country for people who don't have child care. for people that can't afford college. seniors that can't go to a dentist. we can finally do something. this is why we run for congress. this is why we come here. and we're one senator away, literally, from doing that.
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that's why i hope we will be able to get this done. >> remember, you know, you don't need me to tell you this. but this is the state of play in the country right now. if you guys don't get this done, with the numbers that you have, and the buy-in from the american people, you will have problems in the midterms. you know that. ro khanna, we're watching it every step of the way. you keep having this platform to know what is happening and why. good luck doing the work for the people. >> thank you, chris. another developing story. we have to now really focus on gabby petito's fiaans they. it's all about figuring out who killed her. he has to have valuable information. he spent the most time with her in and around when she died. okay? now, what do we know about him? he's disappeared. when? he came home without her. he then went camping with his family. now, let's stop for a second. did he tell them what happened?
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does he know what happened and told them what happened and they still went camping? that really says something on a moral level, if that's true. what about the legalities here? and what about the fact analysis here? all right. there's been talk about the phone. he didn't have a phone. he left his phone. no, he bought a phone right before he left. what's the truth? and the truth matters on this point. and i have it. next.
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facts matter in everything. in an internal investigation, when you're trying to figure what happened and you're looking at circumstantial evidence and you're trying to figure out the right questions and what reasonable doubt looks like, it really matters. and we're getting a clearer picture of brian laundrie's movements in the days after he returned without his fiancee, x
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gabby petito. why does this matter? why should there be damning of w him when we don't really know? i have been doing this for 20 years. and i never had a case where someone's loved one went missing and they refuse to assist in the search. this is something off about that that needs to be explained. if you heard that brian bought a new phone after his return, right. but when did he buy it matters. okay? and it is floating around out there that he bought it right before he disappeared. and maybe his mom bought it for him right before he disappeared. so, maybe they helped him disappear. no. here's what we hear from the laundrie family attorney. and we have not heard anything from the fbi to contradict it. okay?
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september 4, three days after brian comes home. he is home on the 1st without gabby. 2, 3, 4, that's when he buys the phone. it's a new phone. and it is the phone that the family says he left behind, along with his wallet, at their house, when he vanished september 14th. okay? that matters. material. this isn't a little detail. if he got the phone on the 14th, that smells bad. if he got it on the 4th, it doesn't seem like it was front-loaded to help with a move. the fbi has possession of that phone. i'll tell you another reason that the date matters -- because he got a phone on the 14th, left it at home, and then left, what does the fbi do with that phone? nothing because who did he use it with? but if he got it on the 4th,
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which she did, now, they have to weeks of use with that phone. and the fbi may be able to access numbers and other information that could be helpful to them, those two weeks. okay? we still don't know where he is. where does that leave the search? and the answers? for him to be gone weeks is not easy. remember, this is a guy who, when nobody had reason to be looking for him, he was spotted all over the place, with gabby and without. nothing since. perfect guest. bobby ciccone, a retired fbi agent, forensic investigator. you couldn't check more boxes that we need here. good to see you, bobby. >> thanks, chris. >> first of all, the analysis of why the date matters beyond accuracy, do you agree? >> i absolutely agree. it may be the case, where the lawyer had hired, had told him that the phone he had when he was traveling with gabby, the
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one we saw on the utah, moab body cam, they told -- the lawyer probably told him, that phone will be taken by you. if you want a new phone -- we all need phones, right? he probably got a new phone because the one he was traveling with in wyoming and utah, was going to be taken. >> he said to the cops in utah, i don't have a phone. i don't know if you remember that. on the video, who knows what is true or what isn't. he gets it on the 4th and disappears on the 14th. ten days of data on that phone. valuable, why? >> i have map quest on my phone. i have other google maps and things if i take a trip, i see how long it will take me. what route it will send me on. if he was doing research on that phone, as far as where he was going to go, routing and times and places, are going to be in those mapping applications. >> also, it wasn't a burner phone. they say it's a burner phone.
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as we know, those are limited devices. this was a real phone, smartphone. now, how does he avoid any detection for two weeks? people saw him all over the place. everybody is looking for him. his picture is everywhere. he has the best in the business trying to find him. >> well, he had a huge head start. that's the number one thing. he had number of days to plan his kind of getaway before anybody knew what was happening. right? gabby's body wasn't found. there were no charges lodged against him. he probably had serious conversations with his criminal lawyer and his parents about what to do about the situation. he had that head start. when he decided to actually take action on whatever plan they had come up with, that was it. he probably put the means into place, if he got enough cash. you know, i would be looking to see if his parents lick quidate
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assets. he probably had a plan in place. when he was ready to execute the plan, that's what was going to happen. he was going to go under the radar. >> it was a big move. if that's what it was, and didn't go with what the parents say, that he went hiking in alligator land. the best thing that investigators have going for them right now, other than gabby being killed and being a homicide and their understanding of what the cause of death was, is this knowledge of guilt of running. so, running created a lot of what they're going to use to build the case. so, we'll see how it turns out. >> sure. >> bobby ciccone, i appreciate you very much. i hope we have more information to go on. be well. let's turn to a big decision in what is a human rights battle for one of the world's biggest stars. free britney has never been a celebrity story. we don't cover entertainment on this show. it's about why somebody's rights
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were treated so perversely. a conservatorship is a very specific device for very specific things and it never seemed right here. now, today, big development. the father suspended as conservator. why only suspended? he says he wants out. why only suspended? does this give her the freedom that so many fans and legal watchers have wanted? her former attorney takes us through the ruling and where it stands now. next. ♪ we'd be closer to the twins. change in plans. at fidelity, a change in plans is always part of the plan.
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all right. these are not people who are, like, legal advocates, all right? britney spears has a huge fan base. the britney army. #freebritney is part of the energy around this. for us and for you, it should be about the law and equity and what's fair because somebody who is young, really just had their life taken from them, their money taken from them, for a long time. and if it could happen to a famous person, it could happen to any of us, right? today, a big day. a los angeles judge suspended jamie spears. that's britney's father.
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as conservator of her $60 million estate. i didn't believe it's more than that. all of the success, all of the touring, all the years. 13 years the pop star has lived under the arrangement. we only learned until recently the extent that her father controlled every part of her life, that she described as cruelty. the legal battle is over yet. why? her conservator is still in place. there's a temporary replacement. and new accusations that her father placed secret recording devices in his daughter's bedroom. let's bring in adam streisand, britney's former attorney. good to have you, sir. >> good to be back. >> what's your reaction today? >> let's start with what the judge said. the current situation is untenable. what is sad and ironic, is britney had the foresight and the capacity to understand that
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that situation would be untenable 13 years ago, when she asked me to go to court and argue, don't put my father in control of me. if anything, put in a private professional. but what britney and i didn't know at the time, when i walked into court, is the court had already put her under a conservatorship without notice to her. so, she had no legal right to engage any lawyer on her own choosing and got a lawyer appointed by the court, she didn't choose, and never advocated for her and instead, kept saying, yes, your honor, jamie is doing a wonderful job. and for that yes, he earned nearly $3 million, while jamie was earning a million dollars saying that her court-appointed lawyer was doing a great job for britney. >> why didn't the judge remove him and remove the whole thing? >> the judge could have done that.
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what was real ly interesting is you had jamie's lawyers arguing, your honor, terminate the conservatorship right now. very strange, now that jamie is saying, i heard britney and she doesn't want this. let's terminate the conservatorship and do it right now. and britney's lawyer said, don't terminate the conservatorship, just suspend him and let us pursue our investigation. >> that's the key point. thank you. you just remind med. that's why i want to play some of the documentary because they don't want him to just walk away. >> right. >> they want a pound of flesh for what he did to her. >> it really reminded me of somebody that was in prison. and security was put in a position to be the prison guards, essentially. the reason for monitoring is looking for bad influence,
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looking for potential illegal activity that might happen. but they would also monitor conversations with her friends. with her mom. with her lawyer. her own phone, her own private conversations were used so often to control her. i know for a fact that jamie would confront britney and say, why did you text this person? >> if true, trouble. i got to read a couple of full-screens this. jamie spears' attorney on this report, all of his actions were well within the parameters of the authority conferred upon him by the court. his actions were done with the knowledge and consent with britney, her court-appointed attorney and the court. the conservator and his actions speak for themselves. the security firm hired by jamie spears on this report. mr. yamieni have conducted
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themselves in professional and legal bounds. and they are proud of their work. let's leave the security firm to the side. jamie spears saying, i have to be clean here, streisand. the court-appointed attorney and/or the court and britney said i did well. >> let me say one thing -- i don't believe for a second that the court knew this was going on. the conservator has very limited powers. but the conservator with the wink and nod of her court-appointed lawyer were abusing those powers and manipulating her to believe they had greater powers than they really did. you can't put somebody on house arrest. you can't spy on them. there's no way a court would agree to that. >> it's interesting. now the shoe is on the other foot. it's jamie spears that wants this to end as quickly as possible. and britney and her lawyer want to keep it going so that they can fully litigate what was done
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. we are the only developed country in the world that has access to the vaccine and is intentionally refusing to take it, to the degree that we are. think about that. and here's what we know -- most of you are in favor of vaccine mandates at work. even setting the politics of covid aside, we've seen that for
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other diseases. they just work. but united airlines is now case in point. it's even more true when it comes to this pandemic. they're looking at a 99% vaccination rate among employees. why did they do it? is it a win? what does it mean going forward? scott kirby ceo of united, good to have you, sir. this is controversial. we're hearing of shortages all over. people don't like the mandate. you decided to do it anyway. why? >> well, we decided at united to do it because it was the right thing for safety. i've written letters to the families of every employee that's lost their life to covid from the time this crisis began. and as the delta variant picked up and starting to write letters again, i spent time and realized, i can do something to put an end to this. it's tragic.
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it's so unnecessary. you said, these vaccines work. and so, we made the decision to do it because it was just the right thing to do. instead of worrying about the complications, we decided we are going to do this. and once we made that decision, the team figured out how to get us to 99%. it was doing the right thing to stabilize. and that's the priority. >> 99% is great. if 99% becomes a coefficient of losing a lot of staff, then that's bad for business. you say it's a win. but you have 500 employees that are going to have to go. 2,000 going on unpaid leave. why is that acceptable as a win? >> well, again, it comes down to the trade-off of saving lives. no matter how big the numbers were, saving lives would have been worth it. but those numbers, less than 1% of our workforce that are going to leave -- and i wish it was 0%. less than 1% is still a very small number, very manageable in our ability to hire. and ironically, we actually now
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have hundreds of employees -- potential employees showing up at job fairs. and it wasn't intentional. but it's become a recruiting advantage where we have people showing up and saying, i want to work for a company that puts employees' safety first, that stands for something and stands for doing the right thing. it's made easier at united airlines. >> we only heard the opposite, that the mandates are making people sweat workforce because they are choosing personal freedom. and they're not going to do it. you say you have seen a recruiting bump after this policy? >> we have. and i understand the concern that other businesses have. we had the same issues. we had over -- less than 70% of our workforce vaccinated when we put the requirement in, just seven short weeks ago. and we're now at 99%. i think this is the point. you put -- you said it earlier. vaccine mandates work. you put the mandate in. if you're not wishy-washy and
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say this is the date and stake to it, the vast majority of people will get the vaccine. we can move forward and put covid in the rear-view mirror. >> you can. we're leave ought a big piece. have you considered mandates for people who are going to fly on united? >> no. we really think, i think, if it is ever going to happen -- and if it has happened for international travel. but for domestic travel, that is in the purview of the government. they have more data, science, experts. and this is about getting the whole population vaccinated. if every company will do out and do the same requirements that united has done and get to 99% of their workforce, we're going to be there. instead of creating friction, every time you get on a subway or an airplane. and i think this is what the administration has said. the much more efficient way is to do it through employer mandates. that's why the government is coming out with the rules to require across the economy. and i hope those rules are
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strict and go into place and don't have a lot of wiggle room and outs. if we do that, that really will just get us over the hump, get us well past herd immunimmunity. >> you have having too many brawls over masks, let alone vaccine for passengers. scott kirby, ceo of united airlines. thank you for talking about this and elhelping us to understand e implications. good luck going forward. >> thank you. now, remember which business led the way with its covid response early on. the nba. so, why does it suddenly find itself so divided over vaccines? star players, we seem to see an increase in them wanting to be involved in our social dialogue but not vaccines. mixed messaging. so is the league. let's bring in the man, bob costas, to help us understand how the sport that came up with the bubble is now getting blind
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the nfl relies on cisco. so, today, a guy from the right-wing camp that brought us shut up and dribble decided he is going to support black athletes. those that have expressed skepticism of the covid vaccine or haven't gotten the shot. senator ted cruz tweeted, i stand with kyrie irving, andrew wiggins, bradley beale, jonathan isis. #nba. your body, your choice. he's vaccinated, by the way, cruz. the senator's comments come in the wake of lebron james confirming he received the covid vaccine despite being initially skeptical. important comments from a key player while nba and other leagues grapple with vaccine hesitancy among athletes and what to do about it.
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espn says about 90% of nba players are vaccinated. what could the 10% of holdouts mean for the upcoming season. let's bring in the best, bob costas. good to see you, brother. >> when senator cruz says, hats off, i stand with -- that's further proof that when the crowd that says stick to sports makes that statement, but if you are saying something i agree with, the microphone is yours. the platform is yours. you can be a regular on fox news. if you are saying what we want to hear. >> exactly. so, lebron james. big voice. big presence. says i was skeptical. >> yep. >> but i did the research. i asked the right people. it's the right choice for me, and for my family, so i did it. but i'm not going to use my platform to tell other people to do with their body. what do you think? >> it's good that he got vaccinated.
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he's had, i think, some missteps but by and large, i think he is an admirable person but he could do so much more good in this case than just a perfunctory i'm vaccinated and it's not my place to tell anybody else anything. if he did the research, then that research also includes that virtually everybody who is hospitalized, seriously ill, and virtually everybody who dies, is among the unvaccinated at this point. and even though you can get covid if you're vaccinated, it mitigates the possibility of that happening. it mitigates the possibility of passing it on. and it mitigates the possibility that you will become seriously ill. all those things are beyond dispute, unless you're in the dark recesses of the internet or someplace else other than cnn and a few other places on the -- on the cable dial. so, that's -- that's the -- it's -- it's beyond dispute if we're dealing in objective fact. and if somebody is influential and popular, as lebron james and other nba players and athletes in other sports, would come out and make psas and state not just
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i have been vaccinated but, hey, do this. it's the right thing to do. it could have a practical effect. a positive-practical effect. >> yeah. they mean a lot in our culture. and they have spoken about things that are every bit as controversial or more so than this. >> yes. >> so what do you think it is about this? >> it may be that some people -- and i'm only speculating here -- some people in lebron's circle may have their own doubts about it. so perhaps, he doesn't want to alienate some of those people. i don't know. including the 10% of nba players who are not vaccinated. now, it's worth saying that 90% not only exceeds the general population, it's well past the point where president biden and everybody else, the cdc, would be thrilled. we'd have herd immunity at that point so 90%'s a good number. but you still have situations where even if someone doesn't become seriously ill, if they are a close contact, the protocols at present are you
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have to be quarantined. you go on a short injured list. some of theams can't practice a full strength and in the case of new york and san francisco, there are city ordinances that say that you cannot play in an indoor situation, not outdoor, but indoor like basketball. you cannot play if you are not vaccinated. that means kyrie irving. that means wiggins of the golden state warriors so that puts them at a competitive disadvantage. >> should the nba say you get vaccinated or you don't play? >> well, michelle roberts who is the head of the nba players' association and de-morris smith -- had both of them on my hbo show last week -- he heads the nfl players association. they both strongly advocate vaccines but they say it's their duty, until something is collectively bargained, to protect the rights of those who for whatever misguided reasons decide not to be vaccinated. but then, when i asked what if in a new collective bargaining agreement or in an effort to open the present one, they --
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the league cited extenuating circumstances. this is, in effect, something like a forced clause that we are putting in here. unexpected calamity and everybody should be vaccinated. they both expressed a willingness to consider that. >> all the employees are different but if you work with the players, you have to be, but players don't. >> all the referees, the coaches, therapists, everything. >> so while i have you, i have to ask you something. >> okay. >> yes or no? >> yes. >> eli -- eli and peyton. the biggest gift to football watchers since john madden as a color personality. >> yeah, tony romo made a ripple, recently. chris collinsworth. but it's sustained excellence over a period of time. now, this. and as the technology evolves, i think what's going to happen in sports is you are going to get more and more alternatives. there are already little niches where if you want to watch a game and in effect be your own
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director. you want to watch only from the end zone, you want to watch it only from a high camera, you want the audio or you don't want the audio, i think it's only a matter of time in a situation like a world series where fans always say i want my local announcer. >> right. >> where the network will say, okay, we paid all this money for the rights. as long as you carry our commercials, and we can include your rating with our rating -- >> can be whoever you want. >> yeah. you can watch or listen to any -- whoever you want. and this is really an alternative but it may be -- even though this is a business of imitation, as you know, and there will be imitators. there is only one peyton manning and only one combination of manning brothers. >> and the brothers vibe. >> it's great. >> there's some magic there. now, look, hate it because it's up against me on monday and it's killing me. you with the olympics. you with a lot of things but the way you bring people into sport. the way john madden did it. the way the tnt guys do basketball. i think this is the next iteration of that. we will see but i just wanted your take because you are the best. bob costas, always, always a plus. thank you for being a gift to the audience. we'll be right back with the handoff.
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these are interesting conversations we're having because whether or not you're aware of it, this country is in the middle of figuring out its why. who we are, what we're about, and what it'll mean for all of us going forward. so let's keep the conversation going. thanks for watching me. it is now time for the big show, "don lemon tonight" and its big star, d lemon. >> so much on the line in washington. i mean, everything from if -- if the -- if we are going to default on our debts, meaning america. if america is going to default. if we are go get an infrastructure bill and when it come to vaccinations, i am interested in what you think about the nba players and them losing money. you know, millions and millions of dollars from -- from not being vaccinated. >> well, look. the -- the league has to make that move. i think they're afraid of their players, and they have the collective bargaining agreements to think about. they have already done it with their employees. so, you already have a logical inconsistency. so if you work with the players, you have to be vaccinated. but if you

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